inherit Male 7509 0 Nov 9, 2017 17:59:38 GMT 335 jloco11 214 N2 Apr 11, 2017 19:39:19 GMT Apr 2017 jloco11 | Post by jloco11 on Jul 12, 2017 three:34:44 GMT I've had a gamble to use every single character on Platinum, played on all the maps including Aqua, attempt some dissimilar builds on some of the more difficult characters, and this is an OPINION on how the characters currently comport with Platinum the way it is at present (horrible hack, bullet sponges, running for your life one-half the time). Information technology's sorted by tiers, so you lot get an thought of how a graphic symbol can work against enemies and what they can do. One important thing to notation is weapons. There are a few guns right now that are your best choices for platinum. Hurricane, Rozerad, Shadow, PAW etc. But I'm not going to become into the whole, match a character with the right gun give-and-take. Use whatever you lot feel kills enemies the fastest and whatsoever variant you may have of that gun. Concluding affair to note... this is for the majority of the customs which falls in the middle of section of the bong curve of talent. If you tin can solo platinum with any grapheme, cool... salubrious. This is a list to aid people who are testing the waters correct now, and wondering which characters they should accept and how they perform. Breakdown: Tier five: Most useful characters in platninum. Your runs will be significantly easier with these characters Tier iv: Very good characters, they just need a scrap of help from Tier five characters at times Tier 3: You'll do some harm, debuffing.... just yous need Tier iv & 5 characters to complete games Tier 2: Y'all're going to struggle. You lot will survive, simply you're going to struggle and rely on teammates to practice the heavy lifting Tier 1: Just not viable on Platinum correct now. Either platinum needs changes or the characters need some help, merely these characters will not make a significant contribution to squad TIER five: Avenger - Probably the become to course right now for obvious objective reasons Huntress - Same equally Avenger, but doesn't accept the inherent escape ability with avenger strike Salarian Infiltrator - Invisibility and three ways to heal & replenish shields. A fleck squishy, but notwithstanding an excellent option Human Infiltrator - Invisibility is the theme here Turian Agent - Recon Visor REALLY helps with a team hunkered down in a bad spot. You lot tin encounter what'south coming around corners and warn the team before shit hits the fan TIER four: Krogan Mercenary - You will have a difficult time maintaining rage, but flak cannons & damage resistance will certainly keep you in the fight longer Turian Havoc - Probably the best DPS character you have with Turbocharge and flak cannons. Jumping for the character isn't recommended too often Batarian - Debuffs with snap freeze, damage with flak cannons... probably rivals the Havoc in terms of damage & DPS you can add to a squad Turian Soldier - Loading up with defense & resistance, doesn't absorb that much harm on platinum, you feel pain. Consider more points in frag grenades Homo Soldier - Not every bit lethal as the aliens, only does meaning gun impairment with the right loadout TIER 3: Human being Lookout - Barricades will help on some objectives with smaller enemies, but by the later rounds, bosses simply walk correct through them. Energy drain helps Human Engineer - Cryo Beam is a groovy debuff, especially freezing the floor at major choke points. Your turret won't last long, merely at least provides some extra damage Angara Insurgent - Trip mines are great, just you lot need A LOT of them. If y'all could camp an expanse with 2-three ammo boxes, that would work... but most maps don't offering spots like that. You're also going to shield boost often Salarian Operator - This is in between tier two and tier 3. Mainly considering Invasion isn't going to leap very oft with so many boss level enemies. Shield boost of class is an first-class squad helper TIER two: Human being Skillful - I want to like this character, but they're only effective on sure maps. Y'all can't pull that many enemies for health, and NEED shockwave distance to detonate explosions. The biggest downside is you need to exist close to the action, but you lot don't have a style to heal yourself effectively to explode Singularity & Shockwave ofttimes enough Angara Exemplar - The cooldown nerf really hurts him. Without that nerf, he would be a Tier 3 or iv character. Only virtually the effective way to detonate means ignoring battlement, so his skill set starts falling downwards the line Krogan Engineer - Without cryo axle, it's mainly only the downsides of the man engineer. You can detonate all game long, just enemies have massive amounts of health and absorb all those detonations Salarian Architect - Remnant VI gets absolutely torn up in the later rounds. All you're doing is sending him to his expiry. Battlement is decent, but he has besides footling health with no healing power Asari Watch - If information technology wasn't for energy drain, she would be Tier 1. The Aegis gets crushed fast, and backfire becomes useless in later rounds Human Vanguard - Oddly, the best setup is to NOT charge enemies. Nova to prime, shockwave to detonate...... and charge something close to stay alive. Otherwise this power set is non meant for platinum TIER one: Krogan Vanguard - Different the Human Vanguard that has alternate powers, Kroguard would take to sacrifice his wellness to detonate his own explosions. You tin't charge headfirst into Platinum enemies like yous can do on Gilt... he just doesn't survive Asari Duelist - Backlash is worthless, charge is a decease sentence.... then yous can throw Lance all game long. Not constructive at all Human Kinetcist - With few ruddy bar enemies to Pull & Throw, this character simply doesn't work. The corporeality of harm y'all take, pretty much strips her barrier all the time... which is the whole point of her unique power set Asari Skilful - You tin can't run around similar Gold. You lot have to wait for enemies to come to y'all to explode them, and usually it's a giant boss getting close. She is entirely reliant on proximity, and Platinum is not the style to be getting upward close & personal with enemies. Nigh low level enemies will exist killed before they get close, so all you're detonating are the bigger enemies. Krogan Gladiator - Probably the near useless class for platinum. You can't pull well-nigh enemies, don't want bullet sponges right on pinnacle of you for Annihilation Field to work, Nova doesn't practise much, you tin't explode combos on your own and the hammer is so slow, that other enemies volition tear you up while yous melee one enemy (who probably will need 2-3 melees to kill). It's sad how useless this character actually is. Can yous get a good score with lower tier characters? Absolutely. Chances are the others players are not using top tier characters with top tier weapons. If you outscored three Avengers (who were all using Zalkins, Widows, Phalanxs etc), while you had a hurricane, that's considering your gun did the work. All things equal, same gun loadouts every bit teammates, this is a fairly accurate pecking order of how the classes stack up to one another. | |
Transcended I N4 Games: Mass Outcome Trilogy, Dragon Historic period: Origins, Dragon Age two, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur'south Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Upshot Andromeda Origin: TranscendedOne PSN: Cornughon Posts: 1,557 Likes: ii,641 inherit Male person 5308 0 Apr 22, 2022 22:03:24 GMT 2,641 Transcended One 1,557 Mar 21, 2017 five:38:43 GMT March 2017 cornugon Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Historic period: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Issue Andromeda TranscendedOne Cornughon | Mail service by Transcended One on Jul 12, 2017 5:37:09 GMT I call up the Avenger should be placed above the rest. Information technology'due south ironic that non that long agone people were complaining that Stealth Grid sucks compared to Tactical Cloak... I agree with the Operator at 2.5. He's fully dependent on the rest of the squad, so either a very welcome and helpful kit, or a complete liability for being squishy and getting downwards all the fourth dimension. Invasion isn't every bit useful on Platinum compared to Gilt, it helps a little, but not plenty. | |
inherit Male 7509 0 Nov ix, 2017 17:59:38 GMT 335 jloco11 214 N2 April eleven, 2017 19:39:19 GMT April 2017 jloco11 | Post by jloco11 on Jul 12, 2017 5:58:24 GMT I remember the Avenger should be placed above the residual. Information technology'southward ironic that non that long ago people were complaining that Stealth Grid sucks compared to Tactical Cloak... I agree with the Operator at 2.five. He'southward fully dependent on the remainder of the squad, so either a very welcome and helpful kit, or a consummate liability for being squishy and getting down all the time. Invasion isn't as useful on Platinum compared to Gilt, it helps a picayune, but not enough. I did put her at the top of tier v... but the Huntress tin can do a massive corporeality of tech explosions with gun ammo. Stealth grid helps both of them massively and they're in a class of their ain right now with people who know how to use them. | |
inherit 7189 0 May xvi, 2017 2:35:31 GMT 202 iteron_MkV 126 N2 Apr six, 2017 17:51:41 GMT April 2017 iteron | Mail by iteron_MkV on Jul 12, 2017 6:05:59 GMT Y'all put your tiers in opposite lodge and I tin't handle it. Also, I disagree with your rankings and stuff. | |
Transcended One N4 Games: Mass Outcome Trilogy, Dragon Historic period: Origins, Dragon Age two, Dragon Historic period Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda Origin: TranscendedOne PSN: Cornughon Posts: 1,557 Likes: 2,641 inherit Male person 5308 0 April 22, 2022 22:03:24 GMT ii,641 Transcended 1 1,557 Mar 21, 2017 v:38:43 GMT March 2017 cornugon Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Historic period: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda TranscendedOne Cornughon | Post by Transcended One on Jul 12, 2017 6:11:52 GMT I think the Avenger should be placed above the rest. Information technology's ironic that non that long ago people were complaining that Stealth Grid sucks compared to Tactical Cloak... I concur with the Operator at two.5. He's fully dependent on the rest of the squad, and so either a very welcome and helpful kit, or a complete liability for existence squishy and getting downward all the time. Invasion isn't every bit useful on Platinum compared to Gold, it helps a footling, but not enough. I did put her at the top of tier 5... just the Huntress tin can exercise a massive amount of tech explosions with gun ammo. Stealth grid helps both of them massively and they're in a form of their ain correct now with people who know how to employ them. True, I didn't try the Huntress so far, then I'll get back on this when I practice. I do agree on the Krogan Mercenary. He'south a beast fifty-fifty on Platinum, especially when speccing for Impairment Resistance. Flak Cannon is a given! I didn't try Flamethrower yet, but since it leaves you out in the open for too long for it being effective I don't call up Flamethrower is actually Platinum-feasible (thought for a topic on agile powers on Platinum?). | |
inherit Male 4510 0 Nov 8, 2020 11:42:05 GMT 2,949 xaijin 954 Mar xiv, 2017 17:12:eighteen GMT March 2017 xaijin | Post by xaijin on Jul 12, 2017 half-dozen:31:29 GMT Tiering and reasoning thereof is terribad. | |
inherit 4757 0 Apr 16, 2017 17:12:twenty GMT 1,826 killabkilledb 1,526 Mar 17, 2017 two:18:38 GMT March 2017 killabkilledb | Post by killabkilledb on Jul 12, 2017 6:35:40 GMT Is this a solo adequacy listing? If not the Insurgent and Operator in tier 3 is grotesque. I'd ask if yous even play this game? Both characters are amazing. Trip mines and shield boost and invasion and shield boost. Like for existent? Too many howitzers in your listing to have seriously. Likewise I don't remember you know how barricades work. If you play outlaw, when the electric argue is on enemies sit outside of whatever room y'all are in and don't enter. You can double barricade a room and kishock everything outside it. Anything with barricade is automatically tier 4 in platinum now. Some barricade classes are preferable to others merely barricade is a top tier ability in this game now. None of the characters in tier 5 compete with the avenger. He is head and shoulders above the residue. Huntress only has grid and saving barrier. Avenger is far superior. None of the other characters have on demand stealth and tin can practice hacks by themselves. They belong in tier iii or most probable iv. Tac cloak makes you survivable and able to support and revive teammates and increase harm. Kro-merc belongs lower than the batarian. The cryo debuff and flak makes him miles ahead of the kromerc which if yous don't skip flamethrower, volition only die all the time. The duelist is way amend than tier one. She just takes a lot of skill to play and has low DPS. Backfire and accuse are amazing if you aren't a scrub. I'g however learning and adjusting to her on platinum. Just charge is 100% not a death sentence and backlash is not 100% garbage similar you advise. Don't project your skill level onto my duelist. A lot of your listing is based on your inability to competently play those characters, non on their inherent capabilities. This is a co-op game. Charging vanguard with shockwave and an asari practiced team is astonishing... | |
inherit Male person 4143 0 Aug 27, 2018 23:54:35 GMT 52 vacaneon 62 N2 Mar five, 2017 fourteen:nineteen:17 GMT March 2017 vacaneon | Post by vacaneon on Jul 12, 2017 6:41:22 GMT I recollect the Avenger should be placed higher up the balance. Information technology's ironic that not that long ago people were complaining that Stealth Grid sucks compared to Tactical Cloak... I agree with the Operator at 2.5. He's fully dependent on the rest of the team, so either a very welcome and helpful kit, or a complete liability for existence squishy and getting down all the time. Invasion isn't as useful on Platinum compared to Gold, information technology helps a picayune, simply not enough. Agreed, infiltrators with TC should be moved to tier iv. And Batarian should be moved to tier 5, its armor debuff is only too useful on Platinum. OP you lot should read this thread if you haven't. www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/6mf7rr/if_anyone_wondered_how_strong_the_batarian/ | |
inherit Male 6257 0 Sept xiv, 2017 15:10:42 GMT 309 ramsen 258 Mar 27, 2017 3:26:54 GMT March 2017 ramsen | Post by ramsen on Jul 12, 2017 vi:46:04 GMT Flak Cannon characters should exist tier one (five). The best setup isn't going to exist all infiltrators, only one Avenger is really needed. Human and Krogan Vanguard are likewise better than that. | |
3y3vr3 N3 Posts: 659 Likes: 1,584 inherit 478 0 May 6, 2022 0:50:57 GMT 1,584 3y3vr3 659 Aug 3, 2016 15:xix:36 GMT August 2016 3y3vr3 | Post by 3y3vr3 on Jul 12, 2017 6:47:56 GMT Human being picket is my most used kit on Platinum. Personally I would rank her tier 4, fifty-fifty tier v at Twenty. ED 6b team bleed + Battlement weapon buffs/electric defense make her a very durable support with decent dps and crowd command. The most fun I've had is to pair her upwards with a batarian scrapper, ideally putting on cryo ammo. Among snap freeze debuffs, non-end cryo combos(ED,throw, concussive shots as detonators) and ED shield restoration the pair wreak havoc on most non-boss armored units. Kill mobs relatively fast on her own too. Most of the time I can score first or second while playing with other +15k apex rating players who are angara avenger or infiltrators. Though I do wear hurricane + good package and many points are gained from assistance/supporting. Agree that stealth kits brand Platinum way less stressful when doing objectives or reviving teammates. But I myself actually wish to meet more variety in character choices other than all angara avengers or infiltrators in a pug foyer. IMO a squad without stealth kits is still doable if everyone works together. I've had several full-extraction platinum games with both pugs and friends where no one uses stealth. But we did become lucky that no objectives were hack during these games. The most bullshit situation I've ever been is to roll 2 hack objectives in a row on icebreaker...Wave 2 hack nosotros already used up virtually of our consumables. Then moving ridge 4 the hack zone spawned at LZ where there was no cover and enemies could flank yous from all directions...Everyone just gave up and chose to bleed out fifty-fifty nosotros still had revive packs left | |
inherit 4757 0 Apr 16, 2017 17:12:20 GMT 1,826 killabkilledb 1,526 Mar 17, 2017 ii:xviii:38 GMT March 2017 killabkilledb | Mail service past killabkilledb on Jul 12, 2017 vi:49:09 GMT Flak Cannon characters should exist tier ane (5). The best setup isn't going to be all infiltrators, only one Avenger is really needed. Human being and Krogan Vanguard are also amend than that. Flak is good but not the bees knees without the cryo debuff vs big boss armor on platinum. Batarian flak > all the rest. But I suppose you lot could run stun on flak too which is useful for small and middle tiered enemies and keeping you alive. | |
lennybusker N4 Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Historic period: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Result Andromeda Origin: LennyBusker Posts: 1,844 Likes: 5,280 inherit Male person 8089 0 Apr 21, 2021 19:10:29 GMT 5,280 lennybusker ane,844 Apr 29, 2017 ane:33:33 GMT April 2017 lennybusker Mass Outcome Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age ii, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda LennyBusker | Post by lennybusker on Jul 12, 2017 6:49:26 GMT Tiering is garbage but I hold with all of your bottom-ranked characters as to why they're useless in Platinum. | |
inherit Male 8388 0 Jan 24, 2018 eighteen:46:57 GMT 301 dariat 267 May 13, 2017 10:06:44 GMT May 2017 dariat | Postal service past dariat on Jul 12, 2017 6:51:44 GMT Human sentinel simply in tier iii? Haha, absurd story bro. | |
inherit Male 6257 0 Sept xiv, 2017 15:10:42 GMT 309 ramsen 258 Mar 27, 2017 iii:26:54 GMT March 2017 ramsen | Post by ramsen on Jul 12, 2017 seven:00:39 GMT Flak Cannon characters should exist tier one (five). The best setup isn't going to be all infiltrators, only one Avenger is really needed. Human being and Krogan Vanguard are also better than that. Flak is good but non the bees knees without the cryo debuff vs big boss armor on platinum. Batarian flak > all the rest. Just I suppose you could run stun on flak besides which is useful for small and heart tiered enemies and keeping you live. Avenger and Batarian I'd put at the top of tier i, only Havoc is also beastly and can actually tank on platinum outside of bosses. I do employ Stronghold package on her. On a side note armor damage Cshot is also astonishing armor dps | |
inherit 4757 0 Apr 16, 2017 17:12:20 GMT one,826 killabkilledb 1,526 Mar 17, 2017 2:18:38 GMT March 2017 killabkilledb | Post by killabkilledb on Jul 12, 2017 seven:03:32 GMT Tiering is garbage but I agree with all of your lesser-ranked characters equally to why they're useless in Platinum. Asari Expert is amazing on platinum if yous are tactically loitering (aka camping ground) with a squad. This is, after all, a co-op game. --Annihilation debuff of enemies. --Insta priming of annihilation in the room and lots of combos. --Anybody is getting 30% shields dorsum per kill in the field. --She has saving barrier and is very fast. Y'all can move around with her as well, simply very charily. She isn't going to solo platinum but with the right teammates and synergy she is actually expert. | |
kalas N3 freelance honey badger. Posts: 337 Likes: 384 inherit Male person 1294 0 Sept 11, 2017 8:05:03 GMT 384 kalas freelance honey annoy. 337 Aug 27, 2016 19:45:58 GMT August 2016 kalas | Post by kalas on Jul 12, 2017 vii:10:26 GMT the human vanguard should exist superlative tier. | |
inherit Male 6257 0 Sept fourteen, 2017 fifteen:10:42 GMT 309 ramsen 258 Mar 27, 2017 3:26:54 GMT March 2017 ramsen | Post by ramsen on Jul 12, 2017 7:11:25 GMT the man vanguard should be tiptop tier. I similar your spirit, but I don't know about that | |
inherit 4757 0 Apr 16, 2017 17:12:20 GMT 1,826 killabkilledb ane,526 Mar 17, 2017 2:xviii:38 GMT March 2017 killabkilledb | Postal service by killabkilledb on Jul 12, 2017 7:xviii:forty GMT the human vanguard should be acme tier. I similar your spirit, merely I don't know virtually that My favorite platinum game of all time was with the human vanguard and an adept. | |
inherit Male person 265 0 Aug 1, 2022 17:08:25 GMT 11,860 Pounce de León Praise the Justicat! 7,823 Aug 2, 2016 nine:58:43 GMT Baronial 2016 catastrophy caustic_agent | Mail service by Pounce de León on Jul 12, 2017 7:44:33 GMT Angara Insurgent is credit to team. Stupid list. | |
inherit 4757 0 Apr xvi, 2017 17:12:twenty GMT 1,826 killabkilledb 1,526 Mar 17, 2017 2:18:38 GMT March 2017 killabkilledb | Mail service by killabkilledb on Jul 12, 2017 seven:53:38 GMT Human sentinel is my virtually used kit on Platinum. Personally I would rank her tier 4, even tier 5 at XX. ED 6b team drain + Battlement weapon buffs/electric defense make her a very durable support with decent dps and crowd control. The well-nigh fun I've had is to pair her up with a batarian scrapper, ideally putting on cryo ammo. Among snap freeze debuffs, non-stop cryo combos(ED,throw, concussive shots as detonators) and ED shield restoration the pair wreak havoc on most non-dominate armored units. Impale mobs relatively fast on her own too. Well-nigh of the time I can score offset or 2nd while playing with other +15k apex rating players who are angara avenger or infiltrators. Though I do wear hurricane + expert parcel and many points are gained from help/supporting. Agree that stealth kits make Platinum way less stressful when doing objectives or reviving teammates. Simply I myself really wish to see more diversity in grapheme choices other than all angara avengers or infiltrators in a pug lobby. IMO a squad without stealth kits is notwithstanding doable if everyone works together. I've had several full-extraction platinum games with both pugs and friends where no one uses stealth. Merely we did go lucky that no objectives were hack during these games. The nigh bullshit situation I've always been is to roll 2 hack objectives in a row on icebreaker...Wave 2 hack nosotros already used up most of our consumables. And so wave four the hack zone spawned at LZ where there was no embrace and enemies could flank you from all directions...Everyone just gave up and chose to bleed out even we still had revive packs left Just need one angara avenger in the lobby to ensure hacks. I've done games with double hacks and an upload no problem. HSent is not tier 5. Tier iv. Barricade, weapons training and squad drain are solid. | |
inherit Male 6257 0 Sept 14, 2017 fifteen:10:42 GMT 309 ramsen 258 Mar 27, 2017 three:26:54 GMT March 2017 ramsen | Mail by ramsen on Jul 12, 2017 vii:54:00 GMT I like your spirit, but I don't know about that My favorite platinum game of all time was with the human vanguard and an good. I've yet to see one on plat, but I wonder if Kroglad would be amend for beingness a moving totem. | |
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BadgerladDK N3 Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Historic period: Origins, Dragon Historic period 2, Dragon Historic period Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Jade Empire, Mass Outcome Andromeda Posts: 641 Likes: one,340 inherit Male 380 0 Mar 12, 2018 19:45:nineteen GMT 1,340 BadgerladDK 641 Aug 2, 2016 20:29:26 GMT Baronial 2016 badgerlad Mass Issue Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Shattered Steel, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda | Post by BadgerladDK on Jul 12, 2017 8:51:12 GMT Tiering is garbage but I agree with all of your lesser-ranked characters as to why they're useless in Platinum. Asari Skilful is astonishing on platinum if you lot are tactically loitering (aka camping) with a squad. This is, after all, a co-op game. --Anything debuff of enemies. --Insta priming of anything in the room and lots of combos. --Everyone is getting thirty% shields back per impale in the field. --She has saving bulwark and is very fast. You can move effectually with her likewise, just very cautiously. She isn't going to solo platinum only with the correct teammates and synergy she is really good. Just wanted to give formal notice that I'm totally stealing the phrase "tactically loitering". | |
inherit Male 7206 0 May 5, 2018 7:39:xvi GMT 120 xujparisipc King of the PUGs 118 N2 Apr half-dozen, 2017 20:38:21 GMT April 2017 xujparisipc | Post past xujparisipc on Jul 12, 2017 9:42:30 GMT Oh you're so wrong about homo vanguard. dps, combos and eats enemy burn like crazy. Dies sometimes, but not a problem with whatever better team than noobs. Kroguard is not that bad but yep this 1 requires also much skill to be higher on your list. Just yesterday I noticed that Kroguard has one of the weakest shields in the game !!! How stupid is that? | |
inherit Male 8660 0 Aug iv, 2017 viii:57:07 GMT 1 berzerker three N1 Jun eight, 2017 nineteen:48:09 GMT June 2017 berzerker | Postal service by berzerker on Jul 12, 2017 ix:43:02 GMT How the hell asari adept is not viable , without her your team would be swarming with dogs and she can articulate mook faster than any other class i practise concur she fragile in platinum only if you move cover to embrace she summit tier, it just depend on your positioning she just need siphon weapon and she all set perhaps kishok for heavy hitting. | |
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